THIS is EVERYTHING you need to know about ferrari

Feb 15, 2011, 5:20 pm
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and its not the least bit surprising at all:


Chris Harris
I told the blokes here at Jalopnik I was pissed at Ferrari and wanted to tell a few people. They said I could do it here. Stay with me, this might take a while.

I think it started in 2007 when I heard that Ferrari wanted to know which test track we were going to use for Autocar's 599 GTB road test, but in reality the rot had set in many years earlier. Why would it want to know that? "Because," said the man from the Autocar office, "The factory now has to send a test team to the circuit we chose so that they can optimize the car to get the best performance from it." They duly went to the track, tested for a day, crashed the car, went back to the factory to mend the car, returned, tested and then invited us to drive this "standard" 599. They must have been having a laugh.

Sad to say it, but the ecstasy of driving a new Ferrari is now almost always eradicated by the pain of dealing with the organization. Why am I bothering to tell you this? Because I'm pissed with the whole thing now. It's gotten out of control; to the point that it will soon be pointless believing anything you read about its cars through the usual channels, because the only way you get access is playing by its rules.

Like anyone with half a brain, I've been willing to cut Ferrari some slack because it is, well, Ferrari –- the most famous fast car brand of all and the maker of cars that everyone wants to know about. Bang out a video of yourself drifting a new Jag XKR on YouTube and 17 people watch it; do the same in a 430 Scuderia and the audience is 500,000 strong. As a journalist, those numbers make you willing to accommodate truck-loads of bullshit, but I've had enough now. I couldn't care if I never drive a new Ferrari again, if it means I never have to deal with the insane communication machine and continue lying about the lengths to which Ferrari will bend any rule to get what it wants. Which is just as well, because I don't think I'm going to be invited back to Maranello any time soon. Shame, the food's bloody marvelous.

How bad has it been? I honestly don't know where to start. Perhaps the 360 Modena press car that was two seconds faster to 100mph than the customer car we also tested. You allow some leeway for "factory fresh" machines, but this thing was ludicrously quick and sounded more like Schumacher's weekend wheels than a street car. Ferrari will never admit that its press cars are tuned, but has the gall to turn up at any of the big European magazines' end-of-year-shindig-tests with two cars. One for straight line work, the other for handling exercises. Because that's what happens when you buy a 458: they deliver two for just those eventualities. The whole thing stinks. In any other industry it wouldn't be allowed to happen. It's dishonest, but all the mags take it between the cheeks because they're too scared of not being invited to drive the next new Ferrari.

Remember the awesome 430 Scuderia? What a car that was, and still is. One English magazine went along with all the cheating-bullshit because the cars did seem to be representative of what a customer might get to drive, but then during the dyno session, the "standard" tires stuck themselves to the rollers.

And this is the nub: how ****ing paranoid do you have to be to put even stickier rubber on a Scuderia? It's like John Holmes having an extra two inches grafted onto his dick. I mean it's not as if, according to your own communication, you're not a clear market leader and maker of the best sports cars in the world now, is it?

What Ferrari plainly cannot see is that its strategy to win every test at any cost is completely counter-productive. First, it completely undermines the amazing work of its own engineers. What does it say about a 458 if the only way its maker is willing to loan it to a magazine is if a laptop can be plugged in after every journey and a dedicated team needs to spend several days at the chosen test track to set-up the car? It says they're completely nuts –- behavior that looks even worse when rival brands just hand over their car with nothing more than a polite suggestion that you should avoid crashing it too heavily, and then return a week later.

Point two: the internet is good for three things: free porn, Jalopnik and spreading information. Fifteen years ago, if your 355 wasn't as fast as the maker claimed you could give the supplying dealer a headache, whine at the local owners club and not much besides. Nowadays you spray your message around the globe and every bugger knows about it in minutes. So, when we used an owner's 430 Scud because Ferrari wouldn't lend us the test car, it was obliterated in a straight line by a GT2 and a Lambo LP 560-4, despite all the "official" road test figures suggesting it was faster than Halley's Comet. The forums went nuts and some Scud owners rightly felt they hadn't been delivered the car they'd read about in all the buff books. Talk about karma slapping you in the face.

It's the level of control that's so profoundly irritating and I think damaging to the brand. Once you know that it takes a full support crew and two 458s to supply those amazing stats, it then takes the shine off the car. The simple message from Ferrari is that unless you play exactly by the laws they lay down, you're off the list.

What are those laws? Apart from the laughable track test stuff, as a journalist you are expressly forbidden from driving any current Ferrari road car without permission from the factory. So if I want to drive my mate's 458 tomorrow, I have to ask the factory. Will it allow me to drive the car? No: because it is of "unknown provenance," i.e. not tuned. I'm almost tempted to buy a 458, just for the joy of phoning Maranello every morning and asking if its OK if I take my kid to school.

Where I've personally run into trouble is by using owners' cars for comparison tests. Ferrari absolutely hates this; even if you say unremittingly nice things about its cars, it goes ape ****. But you want to see a 458 against a GT3 RS so I'm going to deliver that story and that video. Likewise the 599 GTO and the GT2 RS. Ferrari honestly believes it can control every aspect of the media — it has actively intervened several times when I've asked to borrow owners' cars.

The control freakery is getting worse: for the FF launch in March journalists have to say which outlets they are writing it for and those have to be approved by Maranello. Honestly, we're perilously close to having the words and verdicts vetted by the Ferrari press office before they're released, which of course has always been the way in some markets.

Should I give a **** about this stuff? Probably not. It's not like it's a life-and-death situation; supercars are pretty unserious tackle. But the best thing about car nuts is that they let you drive their cars, and Ferrari has absolutely no chance stopping people like me driving what they want to drive. Of course their attempts to stop me makes it an even better sport and merely hardens my resolve, but the sad thing is its cars are so good it doesn't need all this shite. I'll repeat that for the benefit of any vestige of a chance I might have of ever driving a Ferrari press car ever again (which is virtually none). "Its cars are so good it doesn't need this shite."

None of this will make any difference to Ferrari. I'm just an irrelevant Limey who doesn't really matter. But I've had enough of concealing what goes on, to the point that I no longer want to be a Ferrari owner, a de-facto member of its bullshit-control-edifice. I sold my 575 before Christmas. As pathetic protests go, you have to agree it's high quality.

Jesus, this is now sounding like a properly depressing rant. I'll leave it there. Just remember all this stuff then next time you read a magazine group test with a prancing stallion in it.
the Sledgehammer

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Feb 16, 2011, 3:16 am
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Very interesting article. Pretty pathetic if it's all true on Ferrari's part.
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Feb 16, 2011, 11:47 am
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fiorano94 wrote
Very interesting article. Pretty pathetic if it's all true on Ferrari's part.


its no secret the street cars underperform to ferraris test ringers or the two cars they always bring. Funny how you rarely see a ferrari, such as an enzo of fxx, on the nring eh?
They overhype, then shut down owners from proving it. Some CS owners awhile back were talking of suing them for lying about there top speed, on lie in a long list of lies.

I have zero doubt others do it too, but know chevy isnt too far behind ferrari.

I wonder what cars like gt3s, gt2s, gallardo, superleggera, lp560-4, etc would do on fiorano....
In fact I wonder how much slower street cars are over test cars, and more importantly how much ferrari scews and uses the lap times to make a car seem faster than it is. "Oh the new "so and so" is faster than an F40, or Enzo, so buy our car cause its so great"

phuck ferrari to hell
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Feb 16, 2011, 12:53 pm
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DC33 wrote
its no secret the street cars underperform to ferraris test ringers or the two cars they always bring. Funny how you rarely see a ferrari, such as an enzo of fxx, on the nring eh?
They overhype, then shut down owners from proving it. Some CS owners awhile back were talking of suing them for lying about there top speed, on lie in a long list of lies.

I have zero doubt others do it too, but know chevy isnt too far behind ferrari.

I wonder what cars like gt3s, gt2s, gallardo, superleggera, lp560-4, etc would do on fiorano....
In fact I wonder how much slower street cars are over test cars, and more importantly how much ferrari scews and uses the lap times to make a car seem faster than it is. "Oh the new "so and so" is faster than an F40, or Enzo, so buy our car cause its so great"

phuck ferrari to hell

For a guy that admittedly hates Ferrari, you sure do talk alot about them. Its always screw Ferrari this and screw Ferrari owners that with you. We all know how you feel, so you can go ahead and keep your mouth shut and dont talk about them if you dont like them. Who cares if they lie, cheat, and BS performance numbers for cars, you will never buy one, so does it matter? It is sad if this article is true, but, how does Ferrari claiming the world about a new car actually harm you? All that matters for Ferrari owners at the end of the day is how THEY feel when they drive their cars. I dont care about all this BS, I still like Ferrari's even if they are full of poop about their performance numbers.

Feb 16, 2011, 4:02 pm
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Indy430 wrote
For a guy that admittedly hates Ferrari, you sure do talk alot about them. Its always screw Ferrari this and screw Ferrari owners that with you. We all know how you feel, so you can go ahead and keep your mouth shut and dont talk about them if you dont like them. Who cares if they lie, cheat, and BS performance numbers for cars, you will never buy one, so does it matter? It is sad if this article is true, but, how does Ferrari claiming the world about a new car actually harm you? All that matters for Ferrari owners at the end of the day is how THEY feel when they drive their cars. I dont care about all this BS, I still like Ferrari's even if they are full of poop about their performance numbers.



ferrari owners dont drive their cars silly
and that happy fealing they get is the ora of micheal schumacher and all the racing heritage pulsing through their vaines......as they wash and wax it

95+% of ferrari owners are total tossers
75+% of porsche owners are
and 50% and growing of lambo owners are

I just hate douchebags, whether it be a ferrari owner or some 22 year old grad with his popped collar in a m3 his mommy bought him that thinks hes the shit
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Feb 18, 2011, 4:20 am
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DC33 wrote
ferrari owners dont drive their cars silly
and that happy fealing they get is the ora of micheal schumacher and all the racing heritage pulsing through their vaines......as they wash and wax it

95+% of ferrari owners are total tossers
75+% of porsche owners are
and 50% and growing of lambo owners are

I just hate douchebags, whether it be a ferrari owner or some 22 year old grad with his popped collar in a m3 his mommy bought him that thinks hes the shit

So since you own a porsche and a lambo that makes you a douche too! You said it right there, 75% and 50%.... odds are stacked against you.
Feb 18, 2011, 4:25 am
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Indy430 wrote
So since you own a porsche and a lambo that makes you a douche too! You said it right there, 75% and 50%.... odds are stacked against you.


am I ever the "norm" in any way?
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Feb 18, 2011, 4:32 am
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and I own a "CGT" NOT a porsche

Porsche Carrera GT owners dont drive their cars and keep them as museum peices, CGT owners own a badass car and drive them...then cry when clutch replacement comes every 10k miles

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Feb 18, 2011, 5:56 am
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FIXED...

DC33 wrote
and I own a Porsche "CGT"

Porsche Carrera GT owners dont drive their cars and keep them as museum peices, ...then cry

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Feb 18, 2011, 2:07 pm
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ZUL8TR wrote
FIXED...



Hahahahaha. Well played Mark.
Feb 25, 2011, 3:48 am
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No Muria or Countach ever sold was as fast as Bobby Wallace made one go for the car mags.... Some degree of this has been going on since the Roman dealers were selling charriots.

I also call BS on the guy that he can't drive a Ferrari street car without express permission from "the factory". How self important does he think he is as a writer? Some of those guys write about a cars oversteer understeer weight transfer 9/10th bla bla bla when all the did was hustle up an entrance ramp in traffic. If all the testing is monitored by lap tops it's because they can show the telemetry of some would be racer writer who was a total hack drive when he broadcasts world wide what a pig the car was. Even mag tests in the 60's had data wheels clamped to the rear bumper for real stats, not some seat of the pants analysis that could slander a new model.

Lets hear the other side of the story.

And if you think that's bad, read a boat magazine. The best water tests happen to be for the models with the biggest ads in the mag. Interesting...
Feb 25, 2011, 9:58 am
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SMS wrote
No Muria or Countach ever sold was as fast as Bobby Wallace made one go for the car mags.... Some degree of this has been going on since the Roman dealers were selling charriots.

I also call BS on the guy that he can't drive a Ferrari street car without express permission from "the factory". How self important does he think he is as a writer? Some of those guys write about a cars oversteer understeer weight transfer 9/10th bla bla bla when all the did was hustle up an entrance ramp in traffic. If all the testing is monitored by lap tops it's because they can show the telemetry of some would be racer writer who was a total hack drive when he broadcasts world wide what a pig the car was. Even mag tests in the 60's had data wheels clamped to the rear bumper for real stats, not some seat of the pants analysis that could slander a new model.

Lets hear the other side of the story.

And if you think that's bad, read a boat magazine. The best water tests happen to be for the models with the biggest ads in the mag. Interesting...


kinda like the us car mags loooooooove of the vette eh? or hell anything domestic that buys ad space
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